Conversations with both of us:

“Don’t Mother Me” Podcast Series - a conversation with Siegmar Zacharias about Parenting & Grief. Forthcoming [Audio only]
We discuss our experience as parents grieving for our son Finlay and bringing death- and grief-awareness to our living children, Phalen and Ren. We reflect on the challenges of being open grievers and how our experience as grievers impacts the work we do at Inviting Abundance.


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Love & Loss Podcast - a two-part conversation with Joy van Staalduinen, December 2021. [Audio only]

In Part 1, we discuss the story of our son Finlay’s inexplicable stillbirth in June 2014. We share moments from Joanne’s pregnancy and childbirth experience and how we processed our grief for in the first weeks and months after his sudden departure. We also talk about our approach to grief as a natural, healthy, and important part of life. Click HERE to listen on Spotify and HERE to listen on Apple Podcasts.

In Part 2, we address our intuitive re-location from Illinois to North Carolina and how and why we created Inviting Abundance. We discuss what inspires the grief, healing, and education work that we do here and share some of our specific grief offerings. Click HERE to listen on Spotify and HERE to listen on Apple Podcasts.


Conversation with Amy Glenn - founder of the Institute for the Study of Birth, Breath, and Death - for her Circle of Care Series, September 2020. [Audio recording with images]

We discuss our road to Inviting Abundance and some of our offerings, including our Creative Approaches to Grief Workshop and Grief Pen Pal Network. We also parse a passage from Martín Prechtel’s powerful book (pictured here) The Smell of Rain on Dust: Grief and Praise.

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Conversations that feature Joanne:

“Finding Your Climbing Partner: Grief and Resiliency” a talk given at the Climb Out of the Darkness - a community gathering in Asheville, NC to support Postpartum Support International. June 2022.


“Rehearsing Self-Advocacy in Grief and Cultivating a Grief Practice” A Presentation for the Self-Advocacy in Grief Webinar Series organized by Mayah’s Legacy. Mayah’s Legacy is a UK-based pregnancy loss charity. May 2022


Many of us are grieving this holiday season. Here are some ways to cope.” The News & Observer, 21 December 2021. Opinion Writer Sara Pequeño interviewed Joanne about ways of honoring and handling grief during the winter holidays. Some of her response is cited in this piece. Of course, grief is with us every day of the year, so we encourage you to read it at any time.
*If the above link isn’t accessible, you can read a PDF of the article HERE.

“On Grief: Talking Grief Work and Healing” Conversation with Kimberly McFerron for her Limitless Pregnancy Podcast, October 2021 [Audio recording only]

Honoring Pregnancy & Infant Loss Awareness Month, Joanne and Kimberly have an engaged conversation about the impact of grief and loss. They discuss tools for processing grief and why it may be difficult for those who wish to - but don’t know how to - support others, especially bereaved parents, in their grief. Joanne also shares statistics on stillbirth and infant loss and their disproportionate impact on parents of color.

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Podcast with Kate Smith for her Conscious Mamas Movement Membership, October 2021 [Audio recording only]

Here, Joanne discusses her personal experience with grief as a bereaved parent following our son Finlay’s death in 2014. She talks about some of the ways that she did hands-on processing of her grief and the work that she and Will did together that moved them toward embracing “creative grief practices.”

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Podcast with Dr. Laurena White and Sadija A. Smiley for Laurena’s podcast, “Women’s Health, Wisdom and… Wine,” June 2021 [Audio recording only]

Joanne and Sadija - founder of Stillborn and Infant Loss Support - discuss their experience as grieving mothers, following the stillbirths of their first children, Finlay and Ivyanna, respectively. They share some important insights about grieving and healing, education and community.

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“Your Grief is Your Poetic Muse that Needs Expression, Creative Energy, Awareness, & Most of All Love” Episode 110, Spirit Baby Radio Podcast with Kelly Meehan, April 2021 [Audio recording only]

Kelly asks Joanne about her experience coming to grief. Joanne shares Finlay’s story and some of the healing practices to which she turned after his death. They discuss some of the societal impediments to full-hearted grieving; some of the steps we can take to resist a grief-averse society; and ways to implement ritual into our lives.

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Conversations that feature Will:

“Grief” - a panel discussion with Priya Jay and Michael Cholbi for the Forum for Philosophy, London School of Economics, November 2021. Watch HERE; Listen to the podcast HERE.

This conversation will explore the nature of grief and grieving. The panelists will speak to some of the following questions: Can we grieve well? Is mourning for public figures very different to the grief we feel after the death of friends and family? What is it like to grieve in the midst of something like a pandemic, where so many lives are touched by tragedy?

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“Can We Talk About Grief?” - a conversation with writer and curator Priya Jay,. This conversation is part of Fevered Sleep’s ongoing project, “This Grief Thing”, June 2021 [Zoom Video recording]

A quote from Rumi kicks off this heartfelt discussion between two active grievers. They discuss the relationship between grief and love, the embodied nature of grief, and how we can engage with the world as open, active grief advocates.

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